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I would like to make a comment on last night's show featuring t.A.T.u. as the performing act.
As fan's of the group and of the show we were very much looking forward to seeing them perform.
I can't tell you how disappointed we were that the Tonight Show would edit out the 'kiss'.
Although it was okay by you to show Arsenio Hall running up and planting one on Jay?
I have since discovered that a representative of the show had talked to the girls before their performance and asked them not to kiss.
This is part of their performance, it is part of that particular song.
My question to you would be this...
If the group members were a male and female performer singing a similar song about wanting to be free to be together..etc... and then kissing during the instrumental section of the song would you have edited that part out too?
I think your answer to that question would have to be no.
By answering no do you realize that this is a blatant act of discrimination?
Do you realize that this is encouraging those who think you should be judged by who you love, encouraging those who commit crimes of hate against those who live their lives differently from themselves.
Something I thought I would never see on the Tonight Show!
NBC , the producers at the Tonight Show and Jay Leno, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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PostWed Feb 26, 2003 3:23 pm
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I never got to see the programme last night because I don't have NBC but I have heard about what happened. I was sickened. I mean what is the world coming to? At this moment in time things aren’t going so great so the least we can do is spread love, compassion and we should just all generally try to except one another for who we are. I don't see the problem with to females kissing but what I do have a problem with is TOP OF THE POPS who 2 weeks ago cut out the girls kissing and replaced it with a heterosexual couple in the audience kissing. This should be classed as an act of discrimination and I think action should be taken so that something like that never happens again. I thought it was bad that the UK have decide to ban t.A.T.u's video from the BBC but now that the ban has reached American shows it is becoming out of hand. Something has to be done we cannot let these ignorant people destroy the careers and shatter the dreams of the two young, beautiful, talented girls.
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PostWed Feb 26, 2003 4:03 pm
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I am so outraged that they cut out the kiss between the two girls..I think it is ridiculous..especially in this day and age where it is becoming more and more common. Then when that other guy came and pretended to kiss jay leno..I mean whats with that? You edit 2 girls but 2 guys joking around is ok???? GOD seriously it shouldn't be such a big friggin deal! Just LET THEM BE they are't going to kill anyone or "corrupt" anyone with a harmless display of affection towards each other.

Anyways I thought it was cute how Yulia pets Lena Grin *sigh* I'm keeping my tape forever...I LUV TATU..my shirt came today...ooh and another thing that pissed me off today----some people in my class today were talking about tatu and some girl said "I liked them...until I saw their video" I had stop myself from standing up right in class and screaming at her or "loudly" voice my long opinion about it.

I tell ya...some people...they are absolutely RIDICULOUS!

TATU WILL LIVE FOREVER!!! C'MON LETS VOTE ON MTV.COM!! hehe i just did about 20 times.
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Guys, I think the best respond to what happened on the show would be another hit by TATU.
And I think that fans could help it to happen (sooner).
In my opinion the “Simple Motions” video clip is a piece of art (my native language is Russian) and it must be translated into English. Besides the way it is shot they will have simply to replace the sound track.
So my suggestion for English speaking TATU fans is to work together and come up with decent English lyrics for the clip. I know there are poets among you out there Smile .
I am not a poet myself but here is my version. I suspect it sucks (pardon my French). But let’s somebody else to come up with a better one. You welcome to use any lines.

So, here we go (don’t be too hard on me)

Simple Motions

I am continuing my simple motions
Thinking of you…
A simple emotion…
You are not me,
And I am not you,
But I will continue…

You may deny (it)
Think nothing happened
Or here the keys
Meet you at my place
We can be friends
We can be more
Life will not end
Life must go on

Make simple motions…
I will continue…
Make simple motions…
I will continue…
…..

We will continue
our simple motions
We will be driven
by simple emotions
Don’t question me
What I think
doesn’t matter
Simply continue
The simpler, the better

If you in love
Don’t try to change me
Just be yourself
Let me as well be
I will not change
Pain will not stop
Hurry to live
Life is too short

Make simple motions…
We will continue…
Make simple motions…
We will continue…
…..
PostWed Feb 26, 2003 9:31 pm
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I was also angry over what Leno and NBC did. :pissed: I am also more so angry about the fact that all the girls got to do was perform. They deserved the chance to be interviewed. Does anyone know WHY they didnt get interviewed? I would have rather watched taty talk all night than hear Arsenio Hall, Dennis Miller and that little chick sing! I hope they get more than just a chance to perform when they are on Carson's show next week. I love Yulia and Lena, no matter how much they kiss, where they kiss! They will make it big in the U.S., i give them no more than 6 months until the U.S. recognizes them more. Recognizes them as Yulia and Lena or tatu other than "those two lesbian singers from Russia" they are more than that. All those homophobic wake up! Taty is here to stay!
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konstantyn wrote:
Guys, I think the best respond to what happened on the show would be another hit by TATU.
And I think that fans could help it to happen (sooner).
In my opinion the “Simple Motions” video clip is a piece of art (my native language is Russian) and it must be translated into English. Besides the way it is shot they will have simply to replace the sound track.


Unfortunately, I doubt that anyone in the United States would take a chance on showing that video. There are some parts of the country where not only would someone claim that it was child pornography, but the courts might very well agree with them. It's happened with other works of art -- look up a movie titled "The Tin Drum", for example.
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I too was shocked and saddned to see that NBC would block out the kiss. I have sent a complaint to NBC at the following email address:

tonightshow@nbc.com
Subject: Tell us your thoughts on a particular show

I followed this link from the feedback area of the NBC web site. I think we should all let our opinions be heard.
PostWed Feb 26, 2003 10:37 pm
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i agree with u gothsj i just hope jimmy kimmel dosnt do the same
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I would have to agree 100% that it was unfair to see The Tonight Show with Jay Leno cut "the kiss." I was just about about tearing my hair out and screaming at the tv at 1:00am because all they showed was the guitar player jamming to the music. Is this how it's gonna be at every US performance? This blows; what's up with artistic freedom? What's wrong with a kiss? Besides, this is a "late night show", whatever they do won't be seen by a younger population. I was so disappointed, and will continue to be, if US channels keep banning the ever so popular "kiss" that makes what we love most about TATU; their freedom, their love, and their music! There is no difference between showing a man and a woman kissing than 2 girls kissing. It's absolutely ridiculous. This really pisses me off!
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Hey everyone,
If you were bothered by the fact that the kiss was cut out, e-mail the Tonight Show and tell them! tonightshow@nbc.com....get your friends and everyone you can think of to e-mail them complaining! If enough people do it we will for sure get a response! tatu will be proud of us if we make a difference.
-Angie (angie@cdis.org)
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Glad to see Jimmy Kimmel didn't follow Jay Leno's example with TATU's performance on his show last night!
The girls seemed so much more relaxed and happy without all the NBC restrictions.
Well done ABC and Jimmy Kimmel!!
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How lame is it that those idiots on the Leno show censor two girls kissing ?

Pretty lame.
Funny thing is the same girls who refuse to comment on their sexual preference (rightly so) have no problem making comments on the upcoming war. I hope those of you that can read Russian saw the shirts they were wearing on Leno. How about censoring that TATU ?
How about sticking to what you are good at and leaving important decisions on world politics to people that have a clue.
Being famous does not give you the right to push your idiotic political agenda on everyone else.

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Excuse me? Britney Spears gets into trouble just for exercising daily and weighing as much as an average woman (your average fashion model is 5'11" and 115 lbs., while your average American woman is 5'4" and 142 lbs.; Britney once mentioned to TV Guide that she was 5'4" and 130 lbs.) Explicit "sexuality" is frowned on in the US. You're supposed to look barely-pubescent if you're an American female in the public eye, even if you're a mother yourself. You can talk about being a slut but you better not look too hot unless you're on the Howard Stern show.
Besides, you do know that Tatu have boyfriends and the lesbian routine is an act, don't you?
Maybe they do have a thing for each other, but the fact is that they like boys. (And you probably don't want to jump over to the websites for the British tabloids and read the rumors about them.)
The fact is that they promote an image of teenage promiscuity abroad, and if you don't know about that, it must be because of the censorship that the American media (and not just NBC) puts on their routines.
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and what leads you to belive they have boyfreinds? do you personaly know yulia and lena? if you do not then you do not know.
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Whether they like boys or girls more is immaterial. That has nothing to do with the issue. The fact that a simple KISS would be censored because it takes place between girls is unforgivable. They might not even be sexually attracted to each-other, but it's NBC's treatment of the EXPRESSION that they are that is a problem.

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Being famous does not give you the right to push your idiotic political agenda on everyone else.


You're right. Good thing they weren't "pushing" their worldview on anyone, they were EXPRESSING it. I am sure you don't think that should be censored eh?
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...actually folks, ya'll should be up here in Canada-land where the rules for sensors are different and so the kiss was shown!... it was brief but sweet to see, eh!... well, at least by some partial percentage of the 32 million of us up here.
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For the information about their boyfriends, including their names and images. go to the "gossip" section of this website. It also mentions that there's a rumor that their manager, a former child psychiatrist, slept with one of them when she was 14.
Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that the second rumor is correct. Now throughout history most girls did get married at around 14, and its not unusual for a teenage girl to develop a crush on an older man. (Pocahontas hit puberty during the few years that she knew John Smith, who himself was in his late 20s.) Should we argue that it's discrimination for our society to try to prevent young girls from acting on their crushes? Or should we say that, while the feelings are normal and understandable, it would be best for the young girls themselves if we didn't encourage that type of behavior?
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Good question, DON. Despite the fact that I have read all that info before and dismissed the Shapovalov sex rumor, the age of consent in Russia is 14, so legally the question has little bearing. However, realistically and morally, I could not say, honestly. That seems like something that would be governed by each region's own views on what the age of consent is.

How is that related to TATU kissing, though? Surely you aren't comparing a man having sex with a 14-year old to two young people kissing? I think many people DO view the two situations in the same light, thus the blatant discrimination and intolerance shown every day in America. The fact that this even has to be an issue at ALL is proof that America largely views homosexuality as deviant and unnatural. THAT is my problem with the censoring. Grin
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:hahaha: Rofl ROFL!! your basing your oppinions on a section called GOSSIP!?!? either your not that smart or you just dont know the definition of gossip, its nothing but unsubstantiated rumors.


thanks DON i needed a good laugh today, and in case your wondering, im not laughing with you.
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Hey people! I just wanted to say that I think it was great how Jimmy Kimmel didn't edit out the 'kiss'. Although when it came down to it, I think it was the greatest comeback for TATU to cover themselves. I thought it was PERFECT!!!!!

Regarding the shirts they were wearing on Jay Leno...

**According to my good friend, Sergey, those shirts read "No War" in plain English. But in Russian, it was a very very very explicit, "Fuck Your War". I also think that was perfect because there they were, not giving a damn about anything, while Dennis Miller made an ass of himself making stupid racist remarks. TATU keeps it real.

TATU KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!
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My point is indeed that homosexuality can be compared to an adult having sex with a teenager--especially if the age of consent in Russia really is 14. Who determines if an adult seducing a teenager is more immoral than a bunch of adults encouraging teenagers to have sex? (T.a.t.u. does more than giving each other affectionate kisses in their concerts, you know.)
And the link between homosexuality and the seduction of teenagers keeps on being made by homosexuals. For instance, in the movie "Far From Heaven" the hero Frank divorces his wife Cathy and sets up housekeeping with a teenage boy, without any complaint from the Gay community about the movie.
As for T.a.t.u. having boyfriends, they admitted to the fact to the Russian media. Why can't you take their own word for it?
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I was very upset to see that they had cut out that kiss. I planned on writting a letter to the Tonight Show to complain. I don't understand why that is considered wrong to show on tv ;.;
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Not that long ago they wouldn't even show a interracial kiss. Star Trek was the first show to do that just over 30 years ago. Who knows why they censor some of the stuff they do. Just creating more of a ruckus than would have had they shown the kiss.

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DON: no one is denying they have boyfriends. Why do you keep bringing that up? It changes nothing. The issue is the censorship of expressions of homosexual affection (not sex, affection)



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My point is indeed that homosexuality can be compared to an adult having sex with a teenager--especially if the age of consent in Russia really is 14. Who determines if an adult seducing a teenager is more immoral than a bunch of adults encouraging teenagers to have sex? (T.a.t.u. does more than giving each other affectionate kisses in their concerts, you know.)


Thus the ugly face of prejudice shows itself. TATU kissing on stage is not "encouraging teenagers to have sex". News flash: no one has to encourage teenagers to have sex. High-school is filled with relationships. But I will put SEX aside for a moment and talk about plain affection. A kiss is a show of affection, and no one has ever had problems showing young boys and girls kissing (by young I mean 18, which is TATU's age). I ask you this question: is a teenage girl wanting to show physical affection to another "immoral"? There is only one non-bigoted answer to that. Now, can you understand how the hundreds of thousands of teenagers who feel these emotions might take the censorship of those kinds of things on tv when the EXACT SAME shows of heterosexual AFFECTION are allowed? It is telling these teenagers that their feelings are immoral. Not their actions, DON, but their FEELINGS. It is nothing but a slap in the face of equality, period.

Yes, they do more than kiss at some shows. They did not do so on the Jay Leno Show. The two facts have nothing to do with each other.

You automatically see NOT censoring the kiss as "adults encouraging underage sex". Sorry, but that is bullshit. You are assigning your own assumptions about homosexuals to the situation. A kiss does not equal sex. It equals affection, something every teenager feels. Affection is hardly frowned upon. Unless it's homosexual that is. Which brings us back to the systematic condemnation of the American youth's emotions when those emotions are homosexual as shown by the censorship of things that would go uncensored were they heterosexual.

There is no argument here, really. It is blatant discrimination and it stinks.
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I have already written a letter to the Tonight Show telling them that I find it reprehensible that they would cut away from julia and lena kissing. Especially since it is the same network that in an earlier time slot has a show about gays (Will and Grace), a lesbian doctor on ER, and has shown female/female kisses on Friends. I wonder would it have been different if they thought that the girls were two straight girls doing it for laughs since they had no problem with the Jay/ Arsenio kiss or the Jennifer Aniston/Winona Ryder kiss. I thought NBC was better than that.
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seriously, i was so excited to watch the girls perform on the tonight show but what did i get? Well i got to see t.A.T.u, but i also got to see about a minutes worth of the guitarist doing absolutley nothing entertaining during the "kissing part" of the song. Come on we all know that if it had been a girl and a guy the section would have been shown.
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people who know about this know what's coming, but for those who don't,

sign the petition at

http://www.petitiononline.com/backtatu/petition.html

I designed it for people to stick two fingers (one finger in the US) up at the kind of blatant discriminatory censorship you've just been fuming about.
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Again, the point is that NBC has the right to determine if it wants to risk the ire of parents who don't want to see their children influenced by the media in ways that the parents might not approve of.
Everybody has known for decades that schoolgirls sometimes develop a crush on one of their teachers. Ever hear the song "To Sir, With Love"? People don't think that there's anything usual about it, but they expect the teacher--the adult in the situation--to pretend that he doesn't notice, even if the girl is an attractive young woman of child-bearing years. The reason for this is that society feels that it is better for the young girl if her relationship with her teacher would stay in the realm of daydreams. Sexual tastes develop ovver the years, and it is too easy for adults to influence the emotional growth of a teenager in ways that may not be good for her.
The manager of T.a.t.u. has admitted to the media that he has a thing for young girls and that his idea for T.a.t.u. is to satisfy the adult male taste for this sort of thing. The rumor adds that he used his skills as a former child psychiatrist to seduce one of them when she was 14. Would you complain if NBC censored the two girls kissing him on TV? Or would you say, "No, that's immoral! The media has an obligation to not encourage schoolgirls to act on their crushes!"
And a politically incorrect statistical fact is that most schoolgirl Lesbians move on to boys as they grow older. And whatever the real relationship between the two girls is, they now have boyfriends. Do you really think that noone would object if they stripped down to their underwear on stage--as they do now--and kissed their boyfriends instead of each other?

There's also the matter of "the leather community." Rock has always flirted with S&M--where do you think Avril's bracelets come from? But people feel that any hints of S&M in rock should stay just that--hints. And so maybe even Avril doesn't realize the S&M hints in her outfits. Yet nobody is complaining that the reason we don't see any women being spanked on stage during a rock is "discrimination."
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once again ill say your basing all your theorys on hearsay and rumors.
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The "gossip" entry for 2/12/'03 is solid news.
If you want to see what's allowed on cable in the US, one of the most popular Howard Stern shows (on the E! cable channel) involved two cute sisters who stripped down to their bikinis and regaled Howard with the story of how the older sister seduced the younger sister, and now takes her to bondage shows where the younger sister "expresses" her devotion to her older sister by letting herself be abused. They didn't just kiss, but also the younger sister bent over and let her older sister spank her for Howard.
What part of that show would you object to if they ran that episode of Howard Stern on NBC instead of E!?
(Oh, by the way, they also admitted to having boyfriends as well.)
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I understand what you are saying, DON. However, you are still assuming homosexuality (not homosexual ACTS, but BEING homosexual or expressing it in non-sexual ways) is immoral. Even if parents might not want their children exposed to the idea of it, the networks should not encourage that kind of intolerance or it will continue. That's all.

The comparisons to "To Sir, With Love" are meaningless and only draw attention to the fact that you misunderstand what is at stake with this kind of censorship. Comparing adults being attracted to children is a matter that strays into the area of LAW, namely sexual abuse. No one would call a boy and girl of age 18, or even as young as 15 in most cases, kissing on TV even during the daytime (as they often do) questionable. At least very few people would, and the law certainly wouldn't. Let's not talk hypothetically when there is a real issue exemplified by real events at stake.

Your "facts" about lesbians of young years mainly turning straight are equally irrelevant to this topic. There are MANY lesbians in the world over the age of 18, sir. The question of whether TATU are lesbians means nothing... the fact that NBC saw fit to censor a kiss for fear of offending BIGOTS is the issue. And let's face it: anyone who doesn't want their children exposed to ANY sign of homosexual affection is somewhat bigoted. You are proving that you think it's wrong by "protecting" your child from it. Thus do parents tell their gay and lesbian children that they should be ashamed of their feelings: by either ignoring them or suppressing exposure to expressions of them for fear of "encouragement". Truly enlightened.

It is a parent's right to control what their children view. I will agree with you 100% on that. However, when the media encourages those parents to enforce the suppression of certain imagery, it is removed from the area of a parent's right and becomes an issue of public discrimination. If parents want to guard children from reality, it is their responsibility to not let them see REAL things. "Real" as in legal, non-victim, 100% natural things that it is an individual right not to agree with. Just like religion, but they don't censor crosses just because they offend some people do they? Private matters should not become public habit when they concern human rights.

Besides, the show airs after hours. It is a show for adults. The network was censoring the kiss for fear of offending adults, not out of fear of exposing their poor little children to the horrors of lesbianism. Of course, young people DO watch, but as I said, censorship falls into the PARENT'S domain, not the network's at that point.

The network was within their rights, but that does not make what they did moral. Calling this anything but blatant discrimination is giving into either rationalization or delusion.
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Hi this is to gothsj, I totally agree. I was shocked when I saw them edit the show like that. I'm in South Korea in the USAF and we get Air Force cable shows that are edited. I thought it was just like that here. I was shocked when i heard it was everywhere. I couldnt believe that Jay would censor that little kiss. Their group is based on their relationship so I could not believe that they took that out. As modern as our world is, some people don't want to see things that are "bad" or " harmful". Trust me being in the military, you learn to live censored and to act censored, my only complaint about military life.

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This is a copy of the letter I've just sent off to NBC.


Hello, my name is T. Nguyen.

I'm writing to complain about the censorship during the kissing portion of T.A.T.U.'s performance on the Late Show with Jay Leno on Tuesday, February 25th.

I'm sure you're well aware of the incident that I'm speaking of. During T.A.T.U.'s song, as typical of their routine they started kissing. The camera was pulled away and focused on the guitarist for the entire duration of the kiss in an obvious attempt to censor it.

It is insulting to me and the entire homosexual community that NBC embraces this obvious double standard. The fact that the Late Show is on public television is no excuse when programs like Joe Millionaire, which depicts far more graphic heterosexual activities, are broadcasted in primetime. It is a slap in the face that you refuse to show a simple kiss for the fact that it is homosexual.

Additionally this censorship is fundamentally insulting to me as a muscian. The kiss is as much a part of their song as the lyrics are, being that the song concerns the very homosexual image that Lena and Yulia promote. Censoring their kiss is the same as cutting out non explicit lines in their song.

In protest of this, I from this point forward refuse to watch NBC until an apology is issued to both T.A.T.U. and to the gay community as a whole. I am encouraging as many people as I can to follow this example. While I'm not naive enough to think that a lone boycott would have even the slightest effect upon your network, I suspect that I am not alone in my anger towards this disrespect of both homosexuality and T.A.T.U.

Thank You for your time.

-T. Nguyen

As the letter says, I encourage all of you to boycott NBC and more importantly, email them and let them know you are doing so!

Encourage all your friends, and anyone else that will listen to do the same. Just a small handful of protests probably won't do anything but who knows, get enough people and they might actually respond. If your a member of another Tatu message board pass the word on.

Let's show them that we won't tolerate censorship.
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OK I am not a fan but I saw the Jay Leno and the Craig kilborn. Both edit the kiss jay did it better though but I don't really care I am a 18 yr. old straight male I respect homosexuals (real ones) but those of you saying this an insult to all lesbians has no leg to stand on. First off their age was the main reason it was cut. Also Tatu’s kiss is purely for shock value and to get people talking about them just listen to the audience reaction and the fact that they kiss in every performance of the song proves that. Besides its mainly for guys (and girls) that like that stuff (erotically) cause they are clearly trying to sale sex with this (we are lesbians showing our love for each other Bs) and it is a lie but you all know that right? I know what two people-kissing look like most adults do so no one is missing anything except the little 11yrs and 15yrs old boys (or grown men) wanting to get thrills off it. So if you guys want to see two underage girls kiss look for some child porn other wise grow up. Now I am sure many of you will be against me because you guys are fans but it’s been on the news that this girls were joined together by a record company. And I heard that its there contract to kiss in all there videos and live performances so I say editing the kiss was a good thing now the pedophiles can’t turn on the TV to see that stuff

I am kind of upset that you guys are bitching about this and not about the fact that every girl group is half-naked, young and, selling sex in some way. And Tatu’s school girl outfits also proves they selling a suppressed child pornography fantasy I can except a lesbian singing group of they were more believable and less stereotypical I just want to see more respectable female singers like Norah Jones, Vanessa Carlton or, Melissa Etheridge. Also would you guys be this supportive if they were two boys same age similar song ?




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i cant take this anymore...trollers trollers trollers, im not even gonna bother insulting you because im just so sick and tired of fighitng with people
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OH.SHOOT UP!!!!!!!!!! :pissed:
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:pissed: Neravine's right, I can't be bothered with trying to tell you how wrong you are.

Why don't you get a life,

Make some friends,

And stop posting stupid complaints in a forum like this. Wink
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notafan,
Would we be as suportive if it were guys? You dam skippy I would.

You say it was mostly 'cause of their age. Get real, they are BOTH 18. That is two consenting adults. Get over the child porn thing. It was never even brought up untill that sick twisted guy from the UK said something. Not once in the 2, almost 3 years they performed in Russia and eastern Europe did anybody say anything like this. This guy comes along and shouts kiddie porn. I belive he's the pedophile. He just can't imagine anybody not being a sick twised fuck like himself and wanting to bang young girls.

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Hiya Guys! Wow, cool site! Thumb Nice one gothsj!!! What they did to TATU is really offensive and disrespectful, if i was there i would have Bash ...But to tell you guys the truth, i don't have TATU's album(yet). 'Cause i only saw their video like last week, the "All The Things She Said" video. And i really feel their music(i never knew they were lesbos then 'cause Mtv cut that part off!), i only knew they were lesbos when i saw their video on MYX(it's the no. 1 music channel here i the Phils, 'cause they didn't cut it Smile ) And the truth is that i was shocked at first, but you know i still like them and their music...It even made me love them and their music more Grin . I even have a textmate that i asked if she knew the group and if she liked their music...And you know what she replied?! "Yuk! I don't like them their disgusting! They are embarassments, to the women and the law of the church!" Can you believe that?!.hey,Jesus told us to love right, whoever the person is! I'm just proud that i'm not a discriminating person, i still accepted them and their music and rspect them Rolleyes I even think that the people who call themselves "normal" are the Weirdo I just want to let people know that they should think before they say something, pretend that your them and let's see what it feels like. I'm, i think? A Bisexual...I'm just 15 yrs old and it's really hard for me and is so confusing, i'm the only one who knows it. Hugs! GO TATU! Beleieve in yourselves only Thumb
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finally someone who isnt trolling the board or flammin taty or gay people!! thank you Spirit!! Hug
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