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With regard to the article posted by JasonRichmond Sky news have the following item on their web site and on Sky News Active. http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12238072,00.html
In it they claim that the girls were only 14 when the video for All The Things She Said was filmed. I find this hard to believe, can anyone prove otherwise.
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. No doubt that equality-hating fundies are behind it...

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They didn't even form Tatu untill the were 14 and 15. As for their ages when filming took place........well if it is just the Russian version then they were one age. If it is the English version then it is two different ages. Then went back and re-shot some of the sequences for the English version. I don't know their exact ages in the video, but a educated guess would be both being 16.

Ok just checked some of my facts. Tatu formed in 1999. First single appears on Russian radio in Sept 2000, and the video follows in Oct 2000. Given some time for producing both and rehearsals and the contents of the video itself. That would make it filmed around spring of 2000 for a guess. Do the math, that would make them both 15 when the Russian Video was filmed. They did the re-shots in Jan 2002. That would make them 16 and 17 for parts of the video.
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Thanks for the reference Isildur; only just seen it and going to check it out.

I posted some messages under Bianca's thread that were relevant to this one, in case you hadn't noticed.

The posts here are somewhat hung up on age. I think it matters more whether they chose their act and style freely, felt comfortable with it, how much say they had in the production and editing of the videos and CDs, etc. - than the number of times the earth had orbited the sun since they were born.

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...Hmm...is it me or do the UK press hate tatu, they can just get lost and stop being so anti-gay Rolleyes whateva...you carn't just ban the song...well if they do it wouldn't matter cause everyone's probably got the cd like me Thumb ...but thats still annoys me badly... Mad

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I just read that Sky News article. Yep, it's classic hysterical McCarthyist logic from Richard and Judy: looking is doing; watching TATU a child molester makes. They are probably just about to top the UK singles chart (in a few minutes), (TATU, not Richard and Judy; don't be silly); so there must be three hiding behind every bush by now, not just one. Kids will have to be grounded forever.

Of course, R&J are sickened by the mere fact that men get excited by watching 14-year-old girls kissing each other in school uniforms, whether they (the men) behave themselves or not.

One characteristic of human sexuality that has remained consistent across all cultures and throughout history (not to mention half a million years of prehistory), is that the str8 male of the species is sexually attracted to the pubescent and newly sexually-mature female of the species. That isn't going to change just because it has suddenly become politically incorrect, and they have decided to call it paedophilia.

Ironically, and tragically, children are further endangered by the very hysteria that justifies itself in the name of their protection. There are some characters out there who really are dangerous to children, in a big way, and they are even more dangerous when hysteria fails to tell the difference between them and normal people.

R&J's agenda is a triple attack on normal heterosexual males of all ages; gay female teenagers who only ask to be accepted for who and what they are and treated equally; and all fans of TATU.

We have a fight on our hands; it's time to circle the wagons.

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Sexy Confused there songs rock in my opinion what about you guys do u like em? Thumb Bash Wink Hmmm laugh Wave Weirdo Grin Annoyed Devil Wink Bash Bash Indifferent Rolleyes Thumb Weirdo
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Hi guys, personally i think it's about time that the young adults of this world show that they are not ashamed of their lifestyle-and why should they be. "This is not enough" sounds like to me that they want to be able to embrace, kiss and hold hands where-ever and when-ever without being stared at, talked about or fear person harm to themselves. People shouldn't have to hide their feelings for themselves. I hope they keep pushing the limits, tastefully and respectfully. The video all the things she said is done well. There's no in-your-face gropping. They just show pure affection.
You go Girls.

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who are these R&J presenter people? I haven't heard of them..maybe my grandparents don't get that channel...i'll have to check next time I'm in england (heh..a year or 2 away..) Anyway, good argument and reasoning Jason. And DaeDae I completely agree with you.

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The extreme right in America, and the world, want a world in which everyone acts the same way, follows the same rules, and does exactly what they are told.

We are expected to love only who is socially acceptable, attend the right church, buy the appropriate books (some would say only a bible) and eat the right foods.

America is supposedly about freedom. Censorship should not be allowed here.

Face it, if you don't like the video, DON'T WATCH IT!
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No matter what the media does when a controversial song comes out, they can't stop it. God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols, Relax by Frankie goes to Hollywood, Sorted for Es and Whiz by Pulp, to name a few, were all condemned by the 'respectable' press and media. And it did no good whatsoever in preventing people buying these songs.

The Daily Mail and Richard & Judy's anti Tatu campaign probably guaranteed they'd go straight to no.1 by giving them the kind of publicity money couldn't buy. Thumb
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lialuvstatu wrote:
who are these R&J presenter people? I haven't heard of them..maybe my grandparents don't get that channel...i'll have to check next time I'm in england (heh..a year or 2 away..) Anyway, good argument and reasoning Jason. And DaeDae I completely agree with you.

t.A.T.u will rule the world! haha Wink


Richard and Judy are a pair of TV presenters, he's in his 40s, she's at least 10 years older. The gimmick is that they're married with kids etc. Used to do the top rated morning TV show here for about 10 years (This Morning, on ITV), but were dropped recently and now have an afternoon show on a different channel. She's the one who wears the pants, he's pretty anal - if you've ever heard of the character Alan Partridge - he's kinda based on Richard. Oh, and Richard got done for shoplifting a few years ago Devil
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Alan Partridge.. hahaa fun brithumor.
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Bash i diagree with those people who say they should remove tatu
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I know banning music is counter-productive, and every TATU fan probably knows a geezer (or foreign equivalent) who can get the music and videos for them.

(For American readers: geezer = a working-class male, usually from London or Essex, who is just a little bit *sucks breath in over teeth* and knows where to get legally dodgy merchandise.)

However, my problem with Richard and Judy is not that they are Shapovalov's unpaid promoters (not being exactly Grand Masters in the chess game of life, they haven't even negotiated a commission). It is the damage they are doing by stirring up homophobia and paedophile hysteria that bothers me - damage in the form of real schoolgirls getting their heads kicked in by other schoolgirls, being driven to drug abuse and suicide, or thrown on to the street by their parents as a reward for coming out to them.

For reasons I explained in previous posts, the ped hysteria (for a host of reasons) further endangers children and youth rather than protecting them. In any case, as a normal, boring, str8 bloke, I object to being demonised just because teenage girls have not become conveniently uglier or less attractive than they were in the stone age when I was a teenager.

R&J will deny that they are homophobic - they will say 'we're only gunning for those nasty sicko pervos who like TATU'. They will also claim that TATU's videos sexualise young children. Yet, it's OK to leave the News of the World lying around where they open it, look at the pictures, and read the hate; and OK to tell them to beware of millions of wicked men who want to have sex with them. So now they are sexually aware anyway, but in a negative and destructive way.

I'm not a Jacko fan, but he has just been on TV speaking words of wisdom about kids needing love and affection, not fathers who are terrified of sharing the same room with them.

TATU, meanwhile, are sending positive, life-enhancing, gay-affirming messages. If their video is banned, it won't hurt the sales or Shapovalov, but it will be a propoganda victory for homophobia and moral paranoia.

For what it's worth, I am going to draft a petition and post it on a petition site, rather than give R&J an easy ride on this.

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I meant to say, Jacko was on TV '...speaking words of wisdom about kids needing love and affection, not fathers who are terrified of being alone in the same room with them'.

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I agree with most of your arguments, and I don’t believe in
censorship on any level baring you can’t kill someone or other just as terrible crime
and release a book about it and profit . Kitty-porn falls into that crime category to me.
NAMBLA The North American Man-Boy Love Association comes to mind
(By the way if you want to have a good laugh check out South Parks episode #406
or read a transcript here http://www.mrhatshellhole.com/scripts/406.htm# there is a
great deal of relevance believe it or not.) I don’t think Tatu fall into the same category because of their ages. It sounds like some basic civil liberties are in question in the U.K. as they often are in the U.S. This debate makes me want to read more Plato or Aristotle what ever his name was, you know, The Republic. The welfare and morals of children need to be left up to the parents. After that it is up to the individual to have some self control. Just because the images can be erotic to pedophiles doesn’t mean I have the right to ban or sensor them. I don’t believe you can legislate morality. The problems I have with Tatu (not the women but the manager) are the same reasons I have problems with many things in our culture. It seems I have spent most of my life unlearning the same misconceptions being perpetuated by this type of marketing. The objectification of women, the high value placed on male acceptance, and adding even more misconceptions
about the idea you choose you sexual preference. Like sexuality is a lifestyle and not a part of who you are. I believe as a heterosexual I would not want to be told I will grow out of it, or I am less moral, or I can’t legally marry the person I love. It seems on the
level of the TV shows like Goodtimes and the Jefferson’s. Fighting oppression and
discrimination by perpetuating the same old clichés. The whole problem with my
argument is I am not a woman nor am I gay, so I will just shut up and check to
see if I still have my ACLU card. One more thing the idea of teen sexuality being under
attack here didn’t occur to me and need to listen and learn more about the subject.

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Jason: I think it matters more whether they chose their act and style freely, felt comfortable with it, how much say they had in the production and editing of the videos and CDs, etc. - than the number of times the earth had orbited the sun since they were born.

Indeed.

AnimeKitty81

UK tabloid press sucks. It really does. It's painfully hypocritical and bent on bringing down anyone who's in the limelight. I think many people are pining for more liberal attitudes but the media pushes conservative bull down our throats all the time and pressurises people to stop thinking for themselves. It's like they're only writing for an audience of mindless gossips. For a moment some of it is funny. But then you take a step back and realise all you've been doing is laughing at somebody else's expenses (somebody who probably puts in more effort in their daily schedule than you might do in a week) and made to feel like it was cool.

JasonRichmond: is that the str8 male of the species is sexually attracted to the pubescent and newly sexually-mature female of the species

Jason I admire your willingness to speak out on a volatile topic. I'm only twenty and I've seen that's true. And in a way it makes sense from a biological standpoint: 14 year olds thru 24 year old females are the most attractive for childbearing so heterosexual men with healthy instincts shouldn't be blamed. (I saw this on a documentary on the Discovery channel.)

However, I'm not taking a moral standpoint on actual overage/underage sexual relations here.

Consider also the statistic that used to be (and probably still is) advertised in the UK that 1 in 4 people has been sexually abused. There *is* a problem, which may be a root in the hysteria, but two kissing 14 year-olds girls is not it. To hell with corruption, people do what they do and they are responsible. Ivan isn't responsible for somebody else's slip of morality and control, nor is Yulia or Lena. We watch make belive on telly every day and we know what's right or wrong.
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Daedae: They just show pure affection. You go Girls.

The ATTSS video shows kissing. Simple Moves goes a bit further. But the live shows through what I've seen on the web are meant to be erotic. tATu are doing two things: 1) promoting awareness and acceptance and genuine love (a good thing) 2) providing raunchy entertainment (not a bad thing).
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spud: there is a great deal of relevance believe it or not

Yep, there often is with South Park, that show cracks me up! Smile
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Jason: damage in the form of real schoolgirls getting their heads kicked in by other schoolgirls, being driven to drug abuse and suicide, or thrown on to the street by their parents as a reward for coming out to them

That's not an exaggeration. There are all kinds of pressures and this is one of the biggest.
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Up until I was about 14 I was embarrassed that my parents were lesbians. There is SO much pressure. I hate it that it had been hard for so long to talk about these things, that as a child I would feel I had something to hide. Young people more than anyone need support and acceptance. Sorry for that melodrama Smile, many of you know more than I do what it's like.

Long live the web, friendly communities and free speech.

Peace and love,
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From the Times (London) last Friday (before the Richard and Judy rant):

I've posted the whole article rather than a link as after 5 days the articles dissapear and you have to register.

Rather more balanced and objective than the RJ episode or the rants from the British tabloids <spit>.

They were also on Radio 4 last night (R4 is the BBC's serious talk radio station - politics, current affairs, plays etc.) - that too was rather balanced.

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=START================

January 31, 2003

Lock up your daughters
By Daniel McLaughlin
Pop: Are the Russian teen duo Tatu just a big tease? Our critic meets them in Moscow



ON STAGE Tatu like to kiss and strip. Now the video for their first British single, set for No 1 on Sunday, has the tabloids calling the child-protection charity Kidscape for a quote.
The furore is nothing new to Yulia Volkova and Lena Katina, the Moscow teenagers who are the most successful band in Russian history. Last year the mayor of Plovdiv, fearing for the moral welfare of the Bulgarian city’s youth, banned them from performing. And when they were members of the Russian equivalent of the Disney Club, Volkova was expelled for “behaviour liable to corrupt the troupe”.

Now several British newspapers, transfixed by the nexus between paedophilia and celebrity, are frothing over the video for All the Things She Said, which shows the girls soaked by a downpour while lamenting the frustrations of young lesbian love; 210 angst-ridden seconds later, their school uniforms are simply ruined.

“The first video shocked our parents a bit as well,” Volkova says. “ ‘Won’t you be ashamed,’ they asked, ‘that you’re going to be shown everywhere acting like that?’ But now they’re fine.”

Tatu like people to talk about their videos. In the one for their next single, Not Gonna Get Us, the girls prove their mutual devotion by stealing a petrol lorry and ramming it through everything in their path, an unfortunate workman included. In Half an Hour, Volkova catches Katina cavorting with a man on a fairground carousel, so she makes a bomb and blows them up. Yulia spends their latest Russian video in the bath, apparently masturbating.

“My Mum saw the video for Simple Motions and I told her there was masturbation in it,” Volkova says. “But she just laughed and said she liked it a lot.”

In the offices of their management, Tatu seem even younger than their years. Katina, 18, has her dyed ginger hair in bunches and peers out from beneath a floppy black cap. Volkova, a year younger, huddles in a green shawl like a spiky-haired urchin. Katina’s father was a singer-songwriter. Volkova is the only child of a middle-class Moscow family. They both studied music, play piano and were two of hundreds of candidates who auditioned to become Tatu.

The man who chose them is 36-year-old Ivan Shapovalov. “I chose Lena first, because of her voice, then I put her with Yulia and noticed a special relationship there,” Shapovalov says. “As with any two teenagers, I saw that the line between friendship and love was blurred. At that age sex dominates, and you can’t put together a project like this without considering that.”

Shapovalov is a provincial psychiatrist who came to Moscow to make adverts. In the late 1990s he decided to create a pop band, and is now Tatu’s manager, producer, video director and occasional songwriter. He also plays the workman mowed down by the girls in the video for Not Gonna Get Us.

Volkova and Katina happily admit the extent of his control over Tatu. “Ivan chose the name, which stands for ‘Ta lyubit tu’ (this one loves that one) and the ideas for all the songs and videos come from him,” Volkova says. “He made us. We are Ivan’s and he is ours.”

Shapovalov, a slight man who looks not unlike Patrick Swayze, insists that Tatu embody Russian youth’s rejection of the stultifying social mores of its parents. He says the success of his “Tatu project” springs from its lack of compromise and its expression of the “maximalism” of the Russian soul. Critics attribute it to Shapovalov’s appreciation of the selling power of lesbianism and teenage girls in wet shirts.

Critics may also consider Tatu’s treatment of the Smiths’ How Soon is Now to be the work of a deranged mind. It is the strangest track on 200 km/h in the Wrong Lane, a debut album produced in part by the 1980s pop doyen Trevor Horn. Bizarre cover version aside, it is a decent but hardly revolutionary techno-pop album, the first by a Russian band to sell more than a million copies in western Europe.

But it is less Tatu’s music than the girls’ predilection for public groping that has aroused interest across the Continent. Few people were surprised, however, when they were recently spotted in flagrante with two boys at a Moscow nightclub.

“Yeah, they were our boyfriends,” says Volkova, popping her gum. “They have a normal sexual orientation.”

So the girls’ physical relationship is a Shapovalov-inspired stunt?

“There has been something between us,” Volkova says. “But it’s just an emotion. Everyone’s so sure we’re lesbianki but maybe we are bisexualki. Why not?”

Katina is studying psychology part-time, speaks English and wants to learn Spanish. Volkova says she wants to make a career out of singing, but not necessarily with Katina. Both say that — “naturally” — they want to have families and “little baby Tatus”. But for now they have other priorities.

“We want to liberate people,” Volkova says. “It’s not important whether you love a boy or girl. It’s the feeling that matters — to love and be loved.”

“You know what my Granny said when she saw the video for our first single?” Katina asks.“ ‘If I was a young girl now, I think I’d be a lesbian too.’ ”



All the Things She Said is on Polydor

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The quality of posts in this thread just gets better. Sorry to spoil that with just this 'advert', but in case you hadn't noticed, the petition I have sent to a petition site for approval (still waiting) is in this forum as a new topic.

There's no way of wording it that would exactly please everybody here, but feedback would still be useful, and so would advice on where else to advertise it.

It will probably be rejected under the site's 'harmful to minors' rule; then it can be re-worded and submitted somewhere else.

I suppose we'll end up having to petition the petition sites just to get the petition up (*sigh*).

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Ian wrote:

UK tabloid press sucks. It really does. It's painfully hypocritical and bent on bringing down anyone who's in the limelight. I think many people are pining for more liberal attitudes but the media pushes conservative bull down our throats all the time and pressurises people to stop thinking for themselves. It's like they're only writing for an audience of mindless gossips. For a moment some of it is funny. But then you take a step back and realise all you've been doing is laughing at somebody else's expenses (somebody who probably puts in more effort in their daily schedule than you might do in a week) and made to feel like it was cool.


I agree totally that our (UK) tabloids are hypocritical bags of shite. At least we still have some papers, even the Times, which can actually report on something like Tatu in a balanced, objective, and, well, intelligent way, without using it as an excuse for an anti paedo rant, which will do nothing to actually help protect children and just cloud the issue.

The Brasseye [satirical programme] special about the media paedophile witchhunt was spot on, if that's what our 'experts' really think then any real paedos out there must be laughing Frown

At least we have South Park though to restore some sanity, sweet Thumb
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Okay.All the stupid people who don't listen to the music and judge solely on image, raise your hand Bash thank you.UK Tabloids are just trying to gain popularity and gain money any way possible.DON'T BUY their fabricated stories.If you don't like whats going on, protest.Do whatever you can to let them know there are consequences for their actions.If you let them get away with this, what will they do next? Don't take their shit, take it and throw it back in their faces. tATu is a good group, whether they are gsb, who really gives a crap?

Pop music is TYPICALLY geared towards teens, like myself but most everyone listens/hears it by choice or not (radio).tATu is pop music.Just like Britney.Just like Christina.etc. etc. If they are gonna get on one group, they better get on them all then.Better yet, they should just leave the bullshit to the bulls.(roflmao)
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Transcript of the bit about tATu on Monday nights PM program on radio 4:

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==START====

Brief snip of ATTSS.

Clare English (PM presenter): That of course is All The Things She Said the single by Russian pop duo t.A.T.u. which claimed the number one spot in the UK charts yesterday but Yulia Volkova and Lena Katina are making waves in the music world not just because of thier chart success. The Russian teenagers have sparked controversy by portraying themselves as lesbians in their video and have been accused of targeting the dirty old man market with their schoolgirl outfits and on screen kisses. What are Russian audiences making of the controversy? Archiem Troitsky (I may not have spelt this correctly) is a music publisher and concert promoter.

Archiem Troitsky: Well strangely enough, although Russia is not a very liberal country these duo, Tatu, have never been perceived here as something terribly controversial, and I have an impression that this whole gay controversy around them is taken much more seriously in the west than it has been taken in Russia.

CE: But the <garbled> name translates, as "This girl loves that girl"?

AT: No, no, I think this is something completely made up for the western audience, I mean T A T U or T A T Y as it's spelt in Russian, in Russian simply means tattoo, I mean, you know, these drawings that you put on your skin, nothing else.

CE: Why do you think we've got the wrong end of the stick here?

AT: The producer of the band his name is Ivan Shapavalov, and actually he used to be a child psychologist or even a teacher, as far as I can understand he's simply tried to do something new, he tried to create a novelty marketing campaign for this band, and we've had plenty of gay male artists in Russia before and he's tried to do it with young girls.

CE: But there is something quite provocative about that image, the girls in the video are wearing schoolgirl outfits and it looks pretty blatant?

AT: I do agree that there's allot of dirty trickery about this band and I personally am not in favour of that, it's not that I'm homophobic or whatever I just don't like you know the whole marketing cynicism of all that especially if you consider that he girls are actually not gay. They are not lesbians, and I think it's just a case of vicious marketing but this is something that the west has taught Russia so it's (laughs) the western way of scandalous marketing and this kind of "black PR" as we call it in Russia that cause this whole thing.

CE: Artiem Troitsky and we learn on PM tonight that tatu in Russian is tattoo; there you go.

Carolyn Quinn (another PM presenter): How un-romantic!

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I'm sure it's already been asked in this forum many times, but is Taty just Russian for tattoo?
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Yes, Taty is the Russian for tattoo, ant Troitsky is right saying that in Russia they were received much less controversially.
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I'm sure it's already been asked in this forum many times, but is Taty just Russian for tattoo?


Read the tatu facs, there is an exp[lanation about the name. it doesnt mean tattoo, but it is pronounced like that
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The extreme right in America, and the world, want a world in which everyone acts the same way, follows the same rules, and does exactly what they are told.

We are expected to love only who is socially acceptable, attend the right church, buy the appropriate books (some would say only a bible) and eat the right foods.

America is supposedly about freedom. Censorship should not be allowed here.

Face it, if you don't like the video, DON'T WATCH IT!


I don't think there is good censorship in America. They pretty much play anything sex/violence related. I think that I would want my kids to see some stuff, but I'd still censor things. I mean, we should be able to watch something without having to turn the TV off every 3 seconds.

They don't censor songs except for bleeping out the bad words. I mean, you hear "Lick it now, lick it good lick my <sic> just like you should". There is all this other sexual stuff and none of it gets censored, not even the words bitch, damn and hell. all they bleep is fuck.

And that is why I don't think America is too censored.

BTW a lot of Americans don't go to church...
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Yes, Taty is the Russian for tattoo, ant Troitsky is right saying that in Russia they were received much less controversially.
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Just our crappy country then. Rolleyes
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Have you seen "TATU producer Ivan Shapovalov is ready to litigate with the British television" at http://www.taty.ru/eng/news.shtml?

Bit difficult to read as it's obviously not been gone over by someone whose first language is English but it looks like Ivan is :pissed:

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Read the tatu facs, there is an explanation about the name. it doesnt mean tattoo, but it is pronounced like that


There is an explanation but I'm quite prepared to believe that TaTy does just mean tattoo and that the interpreation as tgltg is marketing after the event. On the Russian pages of the official website thay are still always TaTy. If it was an abbreviation I'd expect it to be written TATY or TaTy.

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Ivan: I have serious suspicions that the British Channel 4 presenter Richard Madeley tends to have pedophilia

Lol. Yeah, he's pissed off alright. Bash
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also " it is possible that Richard Madeley could be cured "

There's hope for him yet Grin
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WELL THIS IS KINDA LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO EMINEM! JUST THINK ABOUT IT!EMINEM WAS CONTROVERSOIAL BUT NOW EVERYONE LIKES HIM NOW!MAYBE RIGHT NOW MTV ISN`T READY FOR TATU YET BUT US FANS WILL ACTUALLY MAKE MTV SHOW TATU AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE ON TRL!
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when I said " where everyone has to be different. I mean the same!!! Bash Thumb Sleep
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That is so.... stupid! No one looks at a heterosexual couple that way! Homosexual people are just like heterosexual people. They have feelings and beating hearts also! When Christina Aguilera had those two men kissing on her video, I thought that to be amazing. Everyone is beautiful, no matter what other people say! I think that if t.A.t.U wants to be homosexual (that is a more appropriate term) LET THEM BE!!! Oh my gosh! Get over the homosexuality people! It has gone on for AGES!! It will always go on! There aint nothing that anyone can do about it! What! Are they gonna make it illegal? NO!! Do you know how many people have sex at a young age? Neither of them can get either of them into any trouble! So what if they fondled and kissed each other when they were 14! If parents do not like that, DONT LET YOUR KIDS WATCH IT!! Let people live their lives and keep your nose out of their business!

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i think it's not fair to ban a "lezbo group" jus because of that they are very talented
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this is such $#!7 they are not trying to sell underage lovers kinda marketing, no they are selling the "they are lesbians" market. first of all yes tatu is a great music duo. second of all i am a man... so duh the first thing that drew me to them was they were lesbians Sexy (dont be mad its a guy thing). but after i heard them i loved their songs. but they get men hooked by the fact they are gay but there is nothing wrong with that it is called good marketing. and for the uk peeps they are just gay haters and dont like tatu. everyone knows these kinda people some one or few that hate anything that is new or not norm thy cling to the old. theses people are called filthy conservatives. they hate change.

so in closing tatu good uk conservatives bad
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